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Where are the Amway critics?

Recently, David Steadson aka IBOFB made an appearance over at the QBlog Forum. Believe it or not, Mr. Steadson actually got me to thinking about things over a couple of days. Other than the usual spinning and PR tactics, one paragraph really grabbed me:

"Amway North America is currently growing substantially. Outside of the TEAM exodus in 2007/2008, Amway North America grew substantially in 2008 as well. There are 500-1000 new platinums every year and many new diamonds and above. Contrary to your claims, business is going well, and contrary to your claims, Amway has done a lot to address problems, as evidence by the fact there's virtually no new "critics".

First of all, where would one find this substantial growth? Has Amway released those statistics? Are there really a "substantial" number of new people in Amway?

As far as the 500 new platinums and above, that may very well be, but does this take into account overseas growth and transfer that over to North American businesses? You could have a guy in Canada who immigrated from India, and sponsors his friends back in India, but nobody else in Canada, yet still attains a platinum pin.

I guess what I'd like to know is if you can realistically expect to build a "substantial" business in North America with only North Americans in your group?

If someone were to say it's a common occurrence, I reject that. Not everybody has large families across the Atlantic where Amway hasn't had a chance to shoot itself in the foot yet.

So taking that into account, I really don't think the Amway business is going well.

I also don't think Amway has done anything to address the problems, although the heat does seem to be off a little now, compared to 2 years ago.

As far as there being no new critics, I would have to agree with Amway's staunchest defender. There really aren't, although that's hardly any of Amway's doing, and despite what his ego might think, it's not Mr. Steadson's doing either.

Wanna know what I think?

There's not many new critics because people aren't getting involved. They get prospected, they do a bit of research, and they simply don't do it!

C'mon, you can't tell me that recruiting of people in North America is up. If it was, Amway would be falling all over themselves (and so would David Steadson) telling everyone about it.

Pretty hard to have a bad experience in Amway when you don't get into Amway.

Make no mistake about it, the lack of new critics is because people now know more of the information the leaders (possibly Amway as well) didn't want them to know, and they choose not to get involved.

When you don't get involved, you don't spend more on products than you did before, and you don't spend thousands in useless travel to hear an egomaniac tell you his life story that nobody outside the room gives a shit about.

In short, you don't have a bad experience in Amway anymore because their reputation is so in the toilet that nobody gets involved to have a bad experience. Hence, no new critics.

No growth in North America either.

There aren't many new critics because people don't sign up. Pretty tough to have a bad experience when you're smart enough not to participate in the first place.

Thanks IBOFB. I hadn't thought of it that way before.

I've been travelling extensively the past month, so I haven't had the time to update. Got a new computer too, so I'm learning a new way of doing things.

Cheers!

Amway, David Steadson, and the 50 Year Argument (did you get your Google Alert David?)

One of the things that the lunatic fringe defending Amway seems to do is harp on the fact that Amway has been around for 50 years so it's gotta be good.

Being in business for 50 years has been done by lots of companies big and small. Bottom line is, you need to have a reason for people to want to do business with you, and being around for 50 years isn't necessarily a good reason. You need to have something compelling people to want to do business with you.

How does this translate in the Amway business?

In North America, the Amway name has been dragged through the ditch plus is the subject of relentless ridicule in many circles. In my humble and informed opinion, this is because Amway was complicit to a number of abuses going on with unjustifiably high prices, as well as the motivational tools business which Amway did (and I personally think continues to do) nothing about.

Amway may be a good business across the Atlantic. I have no experience with it there. All I know is that the practices seem very familiar, and it didn't end well in North America for Amway. Furthermore, I believe Amway is continuing to decline on this continent, which is why they are investing so heavily overseas, hoping against hope that their reputation won't precede them.

That's why they've drastically changed their mantra about paying advertising money to their distributors. I can't watch a football game without seeing an Amway commercial! Anyone who I've seen respond to the commercials laughs because they think Amway is "a scam".

Point is, after 50 years, it's not much more than a running joke in North America among the vast majority of the populace.

In my opinion, it's going to take less than 5 years to have that same rep in the east.

50 years in business won't stop the truth from coming out. Moving your problems to other countries won't help either.

Fix the problem, or you'll run out of quitters sooner than later.

Just my opinion Orrin......

I posted the following comment to Orrin regarding his "Total Success" post. It seemed like a lot of typing to just not get it published, so I'll publish it myself. Go ahead and watch the video. Interesting.


Orrin,

I see how you nicely gloss over the issue as though you actually address it.

Fact of the matter is I don't care about the money you and your brethren make, and you assume much when you think I'm jealous.

Fact of the matter is, it's my personal belief that you make most of your money selling motivation (which you refuse to call motivation, instead it's leadership).

You can't sell leadership in MLM style and therefore need a product, which is a $40 bottle of juice. In my opinion, this is how you make it legal for you to continue selling motivation.

The problem the critics have is the lack of transparency you and your "leaders" live by, and in my opinion, count on.

For instance, what does the TEAM organizational structure look like? How did it look in Amway? Exactly.

If people knew the real truth, you may find yourself applying for a job again.

I particularly admire how you haven't got the jam to deal head on with the critics and how you continue to try and control information.

If I'm wrong, please let me know. Unless you are willing to show the compensation plan in the "leadership" business, my mind is made up.

The fact that you won't share the compensation plan within TEAM for selling motivation speaks volumes.

I'm doubting you will have the nuts to post this, because again, you don't post anything contradictory to what you profess. What kind of leadership doesn't allow for open and honest discussion?

Interesting.

This is Funny.....

Michman turns David Steadson/IBOFB into a bit of a Tex!

LOL

If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts.

If morality is on your side, pound on morality.

If neither is on your side, pound on the table.

Bravo